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AJ Ayers Tells Bloomberg's At the Money How Creatives With Irregular Income Should Manage Money

In a Bloomberg At the Money interview, CFP AJ Ayers argues standard financial advice assumes a steady paycheck, and her new book Creative Money offers alternatives: pay yourself a fixed salary, reserve heavily for taxes, and handle windfalls in a set order.

From the Masters in Business podcast episode of November 11, 2026 and cited sources: Irregular income affects many workers, not just artists. [2] [3]

SOURCES[2] Transcript: At the Money: Investing for Creative Types api.omny.fm[3] Federal Reserve SHED 2025: Income and Expenses federalreserve.gov

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KEY FACTS
What happened
Irregular income affects many workers, not just artists. [2] [3]
Original source
Masters in Business podcast episode, independent perspective
Brief by
AT Pulse research desk AI-assisted; publisher and contact on the desk page
When
November 11, 2026 podcast episode published
Evidence
9 sources across 5 sites; transcript sourced

Reach: not measured yet

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THE CORE IDEAS4 TAKEAWAYS
01

Irregular income affects many workers, not just artists. In the Federal Reserve's 2025 household survey, 58% of self-employed adults reported income that varied month to month, compared with 30% of all adults and 28% of people working for an employer. [2] [3]

02

To replace the monthly budget, Ayers suggests treating creative income like a business. Deposit earnings in a separate account, pay yourself every two weeks and save before spending, because a large check may have to cover several years of living costs. [2]

03

Taxes are where Ayers sees creatives get into the most trouble. Her default is to set aside 50% of each dollar earned, or 30% if that is too much. U.S. self-employed workers owe a 15.3% self-employment tax on top of income tax, and they must make quarterly estimated payments if they expect to owe $1,000 or more. For windfalls, her order is: spend about 1% on something enjoyable, let the money sit, pay the tax, then save before buying a house or funding new projects. [2] [7] [8]

04

Before quitting a day job, Ayers recommends at least one year of living expenses saved, and more like three to five years for most people. She admits this target is unrealistic for many. She also urges people to build a habit of saving even tiny amounts. [2]

WHY IT MATTERS

Fed survey data show 58% of self-employed adults had month-to-month income swings in 2025, and 22% said it made bills hard to pay. Ayers's rules target that gap with simple cash-flow habits rather than investment returns.

Executive brief

Self-employed Americans are about twice as likely as other adults to have income that changes month to month: 58% versus 30% of all adults in 2025, according to the Federal Reserve's SHED survey. On Bloomberg's At the Money, Barry Ritholtz interviews AJ Ayers, a CFP and co-founder of Brooklyn Fi, about her book Creative Money. She argues that conventional financial advice assumes a steady paycheck. Her alternatives: pay yourself a fixed salary, set aside a large share of each payment for taxes, and handle windfalls in a set order. This is personal-finance commentary, not an AI or market event. No independent coverage of the episode was found.

What changed and event timeline

  1. Fed puts a number on income volatility

    The 2025 SHED found that 30% of adults had income that varied month to month. 11% said that variability made it hard to pay bills, rising to 22% among the self-employed.

  2. Creative Money published

    Tarcher released the 336-page paperback, aimed at creatives and other people without a traditional job, alongside ebook and audiobook editions.

  3. Ritholtz interviews Ayers

    In the roughly 14-minute At the Money episode, Ayers walks through her book's frameworks: a self-paid salary, a tax reserve, the order for handling a windfall, and how much runway to have before quitting a day job.

Capabilities and access

  • Book: Creative Money: New Financial Rules for Artists, Innovators, and Misfits, ISBN 9798217180462. Paperback $21; the audiobook runs 9 hours 37 minutes (PRH).
  • Author: Ayers is a CFP whose firm, Brooklyn Fi, focuses on creative entrepreneurs and tech professionals, especially equity compensation and tax strategy.
  • Episode: Free audio with a published transcript that has timestamps (Omny).
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  • Book: Creative Money: New Financial Rules for Artists, Innovators, and Misfits, ISBN 9798217180462. Paperback $21; the audiobook runs 9 hours 37 minutes (PRH).
  • Author: Ayers is a CFP whose firm, Brooklyn Fi, focuses on creative entrepreneurs and tech professionals, especially equity compensation and tax strategy. She also hosts The Liquidity Event podcast (PRH author page).
  • Episode: Free audio with a published transcript that has timestamps (Omny).

Technical analysis for researchers and developers

The book's advice works as a set of rules, not a tested model. In the transcript, Ayers describes: These rules translate directly into budgeting or cash-flow software. No evaluation of how well they work is documented.

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The book's advice works as a set of rules, not a tested model. In the transcript, Ayers describes:

  • Salary smoothing (03:25): put income into a separate account and pay yourself every two weeks, saving before spending.
  • Tax reserve (05:16): set aside 50% of each dollar earned, or 30% if 50% feels like too much.
  • Windfall order (08:28): spend about 1% on something enjoyable, then wait, then pay taxes, then save before buying things like a house.
  • Runway (10:03): at least one year of expenses before quitting a day job; for most people, more like three to five.

These rules translate directly into budgeting or cash-flow software. No evaluation of how well they work is documented.

Claims and evidence

  • Irregular income is widespread, not limited to artists: Ayers says this at 02:25.
  • Taxes are where creatives get into trouble: this comes from Ayers's client experience, not data.
  • Successful artists rely on business managers (05:55): an anecdotal claim with no supporting evidence.
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  • Irregular income is widespread, not limited to artists: Ayers says this at 02:25. The Fed SHED supports it: 28% of people working for an employer also reported variable income.
  • Taxes are where creatives get into trouble: this comes from Ayers's client experience, not data. In the U.S., the self-employed owe a 15.3% self-employment tax on top of income tax. They must also make quarterly estimated payments if they expect to owe $1,000 or more, so a 30–50% reserve is a conservative buffer.
  • Successful artists rely on business managers (05:55): an anecdotal claim with no supporting evidence.

Context and prior work

Earlier personal-finance advice already covers paying yourself first, emergency funds and estimated taxes. The book's distinct angle is the audience and the tone: it says avoiding money is normal and tackles the shame around family money (11:17). The Fed's SHED has tracked income variability for years (2023 data).

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Earlier personal-finance advice already covers paying yourself first, emergency funds and estimated taxes. The book's distinct angle is the audience and the tone: it says avoiding money is normal and tackles the shame around family money (11:17). The Fed's SHED has tracked income variability for years (2023 data). The publisher frames the book as a reaction to a financial system built around one high earner and one caretaker (PRH).

Limitations, safety and contested findings

  • Everything here is commentary that promotes a newly released book. The host and the guest are both financial advisers.
  • The 30–50% tax reserve is a rule of thumb. What a person actually owes depends on bracket, state and deductions (IRS).
  • Ayers concedes that even her own runway guideline is unrealistic for most people (10:18).
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  • Everything here is commentary that promotes a newly released book. The host and the guest are both financial advisers.
  • The 30–50% tax reserve is a rule of thumb. What a person actually owes depends on bracket, state and deductions (IRS).
  • Ayers concedes that even her own runway guideline is unrealistic for most people (10:18).
  • Her advice to invest $10,000 as soon as possible (09:13) is a general framework, not tailored to individuals. No market data or performance figures are cited.

Business and practitioner implications

  • Fintech and payroll developers: with 58% of the self-employed reporting variable income (Fed), there is demand for automatic salary smoothing and tax-reserve features that the conventional paycheck-based model doesn't cover.
  • Employers of contractors and creators: 1099 workers bear their own tax timing risk, so planning for estimated payments matters for that workforce.
  • Advisory firms: Ayers describes her business as aimed at people with large but irregular income who need a plan more than investment returns (01:12).
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  • Fintech and payroll developers: with 58% of the self-employed reporting variable income (Fed), there is demand for automatic salary smoothing and tax-reserve features that the conventional paycheck-based model doesn't cover.
  • Employers of contractors and creators: 1099 workers bear their own tax timing risk, so planning for estimated payments matters for that workforce.
  • Advisory firms: Ayers describes her business as aimed at people with large but irregular income who need a plan more than investment returns (01:12). That positions it around planning and tax work rather than asset management.
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